Why the Marvel Cinematic Universe feels empty

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    What makes a fictional universe good? In this requested episode of Overrated, Vox’s Phil Edwards explores the past and present of fictional universes to try to figure it out.
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    Fictional universes and crossovers have been around long before the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The Green Hornet radio show had a crossover with the Lone Ranger that kicked off the trend. In comics, the Marvel Universe started long before Stan Lee was at the helm.

    But these crossovers have a problem: They can privilege business relationships ahead of storytelling immersion and really interesting universes. As the Tommy Westphall Universe shows, crossovers often become a map of business decisions rather than of integrated fictional stories, and that leads to worse stories.

    This problem plagues the MCU as well. When Marvel engineers crossovers, they aren’t thinking about a universe transformed by superheroes - they just want more quips, explosions, and cash. Or at least that’s Edwards’s argument - do you think the MCU works?
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Vox
Vox

You know that one font every comic book uses? Phil Edwards explains where it came from, and how it became so enduring: http://bit.ly/2EoOE6a

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God of TOMATOS
God of TOMATOS

Micheal Eagles just because someone stated it’s not that doesn’t mean it isn’t

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Eggsy Garcia
Eggsy Garcia

Sasuke KILL URSELF ALONG WITH PHIL

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Eggsy Garcia
Eggsy Garcia

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Eggsy Garcia
Eggsy Garcia

Vox SHUT UP

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Eggsy Garcia
Eggsy Garcia

KILL URSELF PHIL EDWARDS

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Dr. G and the Mutants
Dr. G and the Mutants

I agree dude. The mcu is so overrated and boring. These mcu fans are so toxic.

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Mirik Perkowits
Mirik Perkowits

For things like this is that don’t trust you vox, clicbait at full bs glory, I’m leaving.

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Silver and stuff
Silver and stuff

Vox is overrated.

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Sandy handy Bandity
Sandy handy Bandity

Actually I would rather be in the mcu than the broken time-line of xman

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Nikol Karagyozova
Nikol Karagyozova

Marvel/ds More..

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Maple Rock
Maple Rock

I don't know if the crossover is the source of the ultimate problem or whether the corporate approach causes the difficulties of crossover to result in the lack of depth. Regardless its an interesting fault in the franchise to bring up.

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Onion Blaster
Onion Blaster

T.R.A.S.H. video. Still love ya, Vox.

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monica carranco
monica carranco

I agree vox i agree thats why i was happy when spiderman died

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LumpRee
LumpRee

Same

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Oliver Kennedy
Oliver Kennedy

okie dokie then..

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Vivian Wang
Vivian Wang

100k dislikes!

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Aiden Pierce
Aiden Pierce

What a stupid argument. Waste of my precious time.

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Claudia Jimenez
Claudia Jimenez

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make here, dude. Don’t care about Marvel, not hurt by your opinion, just genuinely don’t get what your saying. What would make it better? Why is it empty? It’s like your talking, but saying nothing at the same time.

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lys
lys

marvel's success still continues but go off i guess

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Zakil Hussein
Zakil Hussein

I’m sorry you weren’t loved by your parents as a kid. But don’t take it out on the MCU man. The only thing that was truly empty was your video, such a waste of time

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raj barathi
raj barathi

Why vox is overrated? Because of videos like this

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John von Shepard
John von Shepard

What's your point???

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Amani Njeru
Amani Njeru

Have you even seen the ENDGAME trailer???

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STONEMATT
STONEMATT

Vox keeps deleting our dislikes 😂

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Natepeel2828
Natepeel2828

This is a terrible video and theory. its so incoherent and disjointed.

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Dee Rush
Dee Rush

The MCU does NOT feel empty to me. Not one bit. It's probably a little overrated, like a good number of other franchises and movies. But I would certainly not regard it as empty. Is this vlog all about a complaint against crossovers?

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David Blatt
David Blatt

9 minutes I will never get back.

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dj0699
dj0699

Good but way too short.

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markhoofdsta
markhoofdsta

Cashgrab everybody is falling for...

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asinine aesthetic
asinine aesthetic

Because we lost our beloved Stan Lee

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MeLo
MeLo

Proudly got this with a captain Marvel trailer

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Edward Marker
Edward Marker

Hahaha lots of butthurt Marvel fanboys in these comments. Vox hardly had time to scratch the surface of why only one in five marvel movies are actually halfway decent.

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ShadowSonic2
ShadowSonic2

Depends on whether you're ashamed of comics or not.

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i don't read your dumbass responses
i don't read your dumbass responses

Salty marvel fanboys cannot take ANY sort of criticism lol

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Connor Wycoff
Connor Wycoff

he is so wrong Kevin Feigey isnt stupid enough to do something like that. And I would be furious if aquaman was in a avengers poster

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Dillon Robinson
Dillon Robinson

Haha the downvotes. You kids are triggered and this video is right. Marvel movies are for children.

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LumpRee
LumpRee

Nope even the new stuff there changing Captain Marvel's Origins too

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ShadowSonic2
ShadowSonic2

+LumpRee Just the outdated stuff.

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LumpRee
LumpRee

MCU is nothing like the comics they constantly change there heroes origins

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ShadowSonic2
ShadowSonic2

Nah, they just aren't for people ashamed of comics.

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Yrok24
Yrok24

This old idiot clearly doesn’t understand the films at all

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TheRoyalHam
TheRoyalHam

all the marvel fanboys are butthurt LUL

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LumpRee
LumpRee

xD

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Barzilaí Vázquez
Barzilaí Vázquez

If you want to deserve a little bit of respect, please errase your video.

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PONGO
PONGO

Wait, the MCU feels empty because there are too many crossovers? Also, people would definitely be surprised if Star Wars crossed over with Marvel because we've spent 3 whole MCU movies in space and not once has the existence of Star Wars characters been referenced, except when Spider-Man references Empire meaning Star Wars is a franchise of films within the MCU and not actual characters.

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dookieinapot
dookieinapot

This video doesn't even warrant an intelligent response because no thought went into its execution. DUMBEST MCU VIDEO ESSAY EVA

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Grant Bowtie Fan Account
Grant Bowtie Fan Account

No it doesnt..

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John C John
John C John

I'm thinking you think that The Terminator has a better fictional universe because it has DECADE JUMPING and TAKING SIDES in it too.

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Marcus Moore
Marcus Moore

Look at all of these butthurt MCU fans lol

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Saif Sufian Otoum
Saif Sufian Otoum

This Is The Worst video I've seen YouTube

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Rohit Rai
Rohit Rai

I wish spiderman had stayed away from Infinity War, to continue his adventures from Homecoming. Homecoming was the most fresh Marvel movie I found, after Age of Ultron

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Piero Minaya Rojas
Piero Minaya Rojas

So many mcu fan boys got triggered

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Eddie O'Connor
Eddie O'Connor

When the writers haven’t watched a single marvel movie.

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TheBussaca
TheBussaca

Alot of these problems are licencing issues. MCU cant use the word mutant, so they say "augmented", can't reference anything like the "mutant registration act", so the invent the "zerkovia accords".. Hopefully when and if Disney gets ahold of all the other licenses we can finally see the elephant in the room that the fantastic 4's building is across the street from the avengers building.. or that all or them are in NY state.. or how there are 2 Quicksilvers.. one just happened to die in zercovia... the studio licensing has restricted the MCU from what it can and cannot address. It's not a defense but a reality.

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skeleton chef
skeleton chef

I'm liking that like to dislike ratio.

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Desmond Brown
Desmond Brown

I'll tell you why I feel it is meaningless. The characters don't matter anymore. The moment they started avengers the series first became just pun after pun. Then you start to notice tHat almost every character, in an attempt to get a one liner has lost all sense of individuality. Sure in XMen you can read what some of the characters will do just because you know them, but that's exactly why their good. Wolverine never changes who he is as a character between movies. The marvel characters constantly fluctuate. Also their individual movies become practically meaningless compared to the "real" threat that's lurking for the new avengers movie, thus it became practically pointless to watch any of the individual character movies anymore.

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Blackest Skin
Blackest Skin

Uh...maybe Because Adults have Hijacked them and forgot that kids like this bullshit(*talking Racoons and flying androids)more than they do.

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Frozen Rabbit
Frozen Rabbit

Please do research before you make videos like these. You sounded like my neighbor. She's all mouth like she knows everything. She's stupid. Like this video!

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Felipe Gonzalez
Felipe Gonzalez

99k dislikes! Yo this guy must've gotten fired

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meisha yudhiana
meisha yudhiana

How is Marvel not a transformative?! Most MCU movie was happen because the movie before it, or at least influence by it.

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EJ The Savage
EJ The Savage

Guys instead of watching the video I’ll answer why the marvel movies are empty...THANOS KILLED ALL OF THEM RETARDS DIDNT YOU SEE!?

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The Arabic Viking
The Arabic Viking

Why vox feels empty. Because its empty

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william brantley
william brantley

Guys this is suspect

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AftrTheMoment
AftrTheMoment

+william brantley Oh absolutely. This video reeks of trying to get views from a controversial opinion but not being competent enough to do it

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william brantley
william brantley

This guy fDoesn’t have a clue about comic books. His argument doesn’t make any sense, I believe he just wants to make a video just for the sake of making a video, regardless of the content. People who read comic books understand clearly what’s going on with the Marvel universe

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AftrTheMoment
AftrTheMoment

What is?

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Grant Greider
Grant Greider

There’s something about the MCU and poor character development too. I’ve had this problem with marvel movies for the past 5+ years. It’s frustrating.

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Joseph Davidson
Joseph Davidson

Triggered Marvel fans below. Jeez, he was pointing out a few things. Chill, you can still love your Marvel movies.

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AftrTheMoment
AftrTheMoment

+i don't read your dumbass responses what a cool guy

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i don't read your dumbass responses
i don't read your dumbass responses

+AftrTheMoment he made plenty of points,fanboy

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AftrTheMoment
AftrTheMoment

He made no actual points though

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Riley P
Riley P

Superheroes are overrated

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LightDarkEquivalent 714
LightDarkEquivalent 714

Because the DCEU is literally so dark that I had to bring a flashlight in the cinema

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narmenia
narmenia

The one who wrote this should be shot!

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Farhan Tanvir
Farhan Tanvir

It's literally this dude repeating that MCU is overrated for 9+ minutes but not for once trying to explain WHY it might be overrated. Didn't expect much from Vox in the first place though.

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i don't read your dumbass responses
i don't read your dumbass responses

it's overrated for all the reasons he said for 9 minutes!

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ehermo
ehermo

Worst. Vox. Video. Ever.

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JR21
JR21

Lmaoooooo y’all really thought this was it

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Happy Hufflepuff
Happy Hufflepuff

Click bait

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HaloSuperWarrior Prime
HaloSuperWarrior Prime

There isn't even an argument in this video They forgot that part

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HaloSuperWarrior Prime
HaloSuperWarrior Prime

This is so baseless. I could make a more convincing arguement that fire is wet...

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Patrick Sweeney
Patrick Sweeney

Die

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Robert Aguirre
Robert Aguirre

because fox only has xmen & F4 if they had other properties pretty sure they would of had it already

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Pedro Eiras
Pedro Eiras

Finally! I agree. There are some great movies in the MCU, but overall, it's just a fun collection of silly movies, let's be honest.

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HaloSuperWarrior Prime
HaloSuperWarrior Prime

+i don't read your dumbass responses I don't agree, but I love your name 👍 guess you won't read this tho...

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i don't read your dumbass responses
i don't read your dumbass responses

i agree with you, nothing but silly movies

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HaloSuperWarrior Prime
HaloSuperWarrior Prime

But that doesn't make it "empty." The MCU has brilliant world-building. In fact, the MCU is one of the most fleshed out worlds of any movie series ever. And the X-men is one of the most plot-hole ridden, messed up movie worlds ever. And that reference about no one noticing Aquaman in the Avengers? That's a hurtful insult to Marvel and DC

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Lester Falcon
Lester Falcon

Why is Vox Overrated. Hear me out. 75% of 120,000 people did not like this video

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Tae Natdanai
Tae Natdanai

Now i want Why Vox are wrong? Video

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yeezy yxy
yeezy yxy

i goT AN AD FOR DC COMICS HA

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Law
Law

Yo people! You can disagree (or even agree!) with the argument of this video while still enjoying the MCU fils, and without being so outraged! Don't be a toxic fanbase (we all know how the rick and morty toxic fanbase tarnished the show's reputation)

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ShadowSonic2
ShadowSonic2

+Law Real life itself doesn't have one overarching theme, so the MCU should either. X-men using the mutant thing to link it all like that is actually lazy.

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Law
Law

+HaloSuperWarrior Prime Yes, there is. They argue that the MCU is just a collection of random characters that are made to fit into a unique story, without an overarching theme. Unlike for example the x-men where there is an overarching theme regardig discrimination and diversity. But anyway I didn't say that I agree, I have my own reserves, with this video, but the reactions in the comments the dislikes, and the proliferation of videos calling out this one is really the show of a crazed fandom.

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HaloSuperWarrior Prime
HaloSuperWarrior Prime

There isn't even an argument in this video They forgot that part

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shmaveyea
shmaveyea

Haha nerds in the comments, beware when you make a video targeting THE WORST fan base in cinema

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i don't read your dumbass responses
i don't read your dumbass responses

lol exactly,marvel fanboys are the worst lmao

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Dylan Ratner
Dylan Ratner

Honestly I'm kind of disappointed, I've always associated Vox with well made, interesting, and non clickbait like videos that give interesting insight. Personally I am someone that enjoys the MCU however I can see reasons for someone to not enjoy it but none of those reasons were really brought up.

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BunnyGuns
BunnyGuns

I couldn't agree less.

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LonelyPandaz
LonelyPandaz

I don't know about that one chief

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Will Thompson
Will Thompson

This thing called the Tommy Westphall exists and is bad.......therefore the MCU is bad

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Odysseus420
Odysseus420

Like Id listen to a libtard puppet channel

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MrEzioBR
MrEzioBR

Have you even watched Homecoming? The whole movie only exists because of Avengers 1

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LumpRee
LumpRee

No it only exist Because Sony gave the rights to spiderman back to marvel

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Valerie Lim
Valerie Lim

bullshit clickbait

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Valerie Lim
Valerie Lim

why this video feels empty

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krisbonet
krisbonet

You don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing to fix.

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HaloSuperWarrior Prime
HaloSuperWarrior Prime

And the way they compare it to the X-Men movie universe like that's somehow better....... My rage is white hot rage

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TheDoctor Fez
TheDoctor Fez

*Clap, clap, clap, CLAP!*

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RpM MingZ.
RpM MingZ.

Almost 100k dislikes come on guys :D

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ghostmemeboi
ghostmemeboi

all the butthurt fanboys in the comments

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Joseph Bailey
Joseph Bailey

wtf...

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Mediawatcher
Mediawatcher

Definitely not one of your best idea for videos

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NM6467
NM6467

Useless video. Waste of time

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Marko Ross
Marko Ross

I saw the 30,000 likes and looked through the comments to see if I could find a comment in defense of this video. Couldn't find one

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HaloSuperWarrior Prime
HaloSuperWarrior Prime

It must've been a spam bot that liked all those times LOL But even that was no match for all us people with common sense.

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Cthulhu Keanu
Cthulhu Keanu

Man, can’t wait for you guys to find out about the Iliad and the Odyssey- you’re gonna hate them.

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Rishav
Rishav

I actually agree with vox in this one.

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Bruce Malinowski
Bruce Malinowski

99k people couldn't handle the truth

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moon ruin
moon ruin

because stan lee died :(

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Theman Joe
Theman Joe

I've seen a lot of MCU criticism videos, and I'm completely comfortable in saying that this is by far the worst one I've seen. half this video was basically "did you know that other properties did connected universes too?" yeh, okay, other properties did it, that doesn't make the MCU bad. your only arguments for why the MCU feels like a business strategy is a few throwaway avengers references from ant man and spider man homecoming, and then you don't even explain what's wrong with them. yeh, it's an avengers reference, what's the problem? these don't take away from the story whatsoever. ant man is still a story about a father having to prove himself to his family, and spider man homecoming is still a story about Peter learning to accept who he is. this goes for most MCU movies. they all have their stories to tell and the references don't take away from it. and the x men comparison is really stupid. the MCU isn't supposed to be about making a decision like the x men universe is, it's usually about seeing the characters become better versions of themselves, it's not about "buying some merch."

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Victoria Duval
Victoria Duval

Because there’s not enough Hawkeye, next question

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the riddler
the riddler

99K likes. *WOW*

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w h y
w h y

*Then Stan Lee dies*

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Yixuan Wang
Yixuan Wang

What is the music starts at 8:40?

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Tone202
Tone202

If you put hawkeye in the DC universe you would get an outcry that would cost you millions.

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Scott Reacher
Scott Reacher

Essentially this video just very poorly researched and Vox is SCUM.

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Rowan Newcomb Rodriguez
Rowan Newcomb Rodriguez

RIP Stan 😢😢😢😢

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Darcy Harland
Darcy Harland

While i dont agree with a lot of this video. Detective pikachu now exists which i think is the equivalent to a horrible cross over like the one suggested of starwars and avengers in this video.

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yesmanandy
yesmanandy

Lol at all the crying marvel fans

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God of TOMATOS
God of TOMATOS

I thought the video would tell me that the MCU felt empty it failed and was “a steaming pile of clickbait” if you read some of the comments they make genuinely good points unlike this video... although yeah some of it is just wailing fan boys who would dislike even if the video was actually good

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Ďalej

Why we say “OK”
Why we say “OK”

Vox

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