Why the Marvel Cinematic Universe feels empty

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    VoxVox

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    What makes a fictional universe good? In this requested episode of Overrated, Vox’s Phil Edwards explores the past and present of fictional universes to try to figure it out.
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    Fictional universes and crossovers have been around long before the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The Green Hornet radio show had a crossover with the Lone Ranger that kicked off the trend. In comics, the Marvel Universe started long before Stan Lee was at the helm.

    But these crossovers have a problem: They can privilege business relationships ahead of storytelling immersion and really interesting universes. As the Tommy Westphall Universe shows, crossovers often become a map of business decisions rather than of integrated fictional stories, and that leads to worse stories.

    This problem plagues the MCU as well. When Marvel engineers crossovers, they aren’t thinking about a universe transformed by superheroes - they just want more quips, explosions, and cash. Or at least that’s Edwards’s argument - do you think the MCU works?
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Vox
Vox

You know that one font every comic book uses? Phil Edwards explains where it came from, and how it became so enduring: http://bit.ly/2EoOE6a

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Jean-Nicolas Bourdon
Jean-Nicolas Bourdon

Melvin T I laughed way harder than I should have. Props

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Devansh Jangid
Devansh Jangid

+Sasuke They're trying to distract us! 🤣😂 That's such a cheap tactic

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Intergalactic Studios
Intergalactic Studios

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niT5wCh5v7U this is why i clicked dislike

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THEM0J0MAN
THEM0J0MAN

I wish I could do something more than dislike the video to show my distaste

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fuckemweball007
fuckemweball007

What a hater

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Wayde Robson
Wayde Robson

So, Red Apple cigarettes is "cool"... but the MCU is empty? Because... it's too big?

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Zach Booth
Zach Booth

O O F

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Mico Usana
Mico Usana

The only vox video that I disliked

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Devesh Bajracharya
Devesh Bajracharya

This video is full of crap... 💩

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Justin Eaton
Justin Eaton

X-men all the way :)

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Dylan Tierney
Dylan Tierney

Fock off

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Taylor Xluvx
Taylor Xluvx

Why did pee-wee just make a video for no reason but to gather views, and pretty much everything said was bullshit

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P McFadden
P McFadden

infinity wars was like the royal rumble of movies.

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yonaka秋
yonaka秋

I had been thinking about this for a long time . Good !

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Literal_Gamer15
Literal_Gamer15

Thank you for your steaming pile of clickbait vox

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kekieklokkie
kekieklokkie

why does liberal and sjw channels more often than not a clickbait.

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Denny
Denny

This video literally hod no point

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SSJ K-Dots Sanctum
SSJ K-Dots Sanctum

103K dislikes are the fans who can't accept any form of criticism. 6:44 I don't agree with the Aquaman thing now comicbook fans will notice but casual moviegoers wouldn't care. The only good X Men films are logan and Deadpool

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Tommy Anderson
Tommy Anderson

And this is why everyone hates vox

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TheColdCutCombo WithTomato
TheColdCutCombo WithTomato

I just don’t understand what your complaint is exactly

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TheColdCutCombo WithTomato
TheColdCutCombo WithTomato

And don’t get me wrong I do believe the mcu has deeper issues, but I don’t think the right ones were addressed here

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squiben666
squiben666

Lol good job stealing a movie Bob video from like 4 years ago and making it into clickbait about the MCU. you couldn't be more wrong about what comic fans like about comic books, we love continuity. Why do you want marvel heroes to all become watchmen? we already have watchmen.

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yeungscs
yeungscs

Anyone else feel like they just watched a Prager U video?

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Fei-Hong Wong
Fei-Hong Wong

Ever hear of suspension of disbelief? Geez!!!

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Kyle Romaneck
Kyle Romaneck

I’m 3 minutes from the end and he’s finally gotten around to starting to explain his thesis and... his biggest example is so flat out wrong that it makes me think he hasn’t even watched these films. He says that Spider-man Homecoming’s connection to the larger universe is shallow, only pointing out the Avengers masks the thieves wear and the pic of Bruce Banner on the wall that I never noticed. Huh, good point bro. Oh wait... wasn’t the entire opening of the film a tie-in to Spider-man’s intro in Civil War? Isn’t the entire plot of this movie directly built off of Tony Stark recruiting this young guy in the last film, and then Tony mentoring him throughout this film? Don’t Tony Stark and Happy Hogan play major roles in this story, while also continuing to build out the larger universe organically within the film? Isn’t there also a fun world-building cameo of Cap doing a cheesy school video? I admit I’m biased and generally love the MCU, but I was honestly curious to hear this guy’s opinion. Unfortunately, he apparently didn’t do his research so now I just feel like I wasted my time watching it, and then complaining about it here. You know you’ve got no good point when you have to lie to make it. This video sucks, Vox. Do better.

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Ling G
Ling G

"video goes on about too many characters for 8 minutes and dont explain why MCU feels empty or why that is" don't bother with it

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George Martinus
George Martinus

"... getting crossover hype, not about telling a good story" Yes, I do agree with that.

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Zack Attack Joseph
Zack Attack Joseph

You had me at Starvengers

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Quazy Duck
Quazy Duck

I just came here for the comments, (∩ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⊃━☆゚. * ・ 。゚,

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Rachel&John Hyatt
Rachel&John Hyatt

There should be a marvel and Star Wars crossover.

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3rdegree Burns
3rdegree Burns

I completely agree. Disney doesn't care about telling a compelling story. Disney is only concerned with keeping the franchise going to sell merchandise, period. Seeing the Avengers was the only culmination that was exciting to me and that film fell short. I fear how Disney will waste the X-Men and Fantastic Four properties and churn out a bunch of hackneyed comedies.

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vidit manjrekar
vidit manjrekar

Clickbait GG.

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Adam Walker
Adam Walker

Superhero movies in general are overrated. Black Panther and Wonder Woman were not included though because those movies were awesome.

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Adam Walker
Adam Walker

Scooter Ball opinions are meant to be subjective

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Scooter Ball
Scooter Ball

Adam Walker you literally included the most overrated superhero movie in that sentence

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Vermillion Dynamo!!!
Vermillion Dynamo!!!

Man y’all are big mad in these comments. My whole thing is how exactly do you keep suspense and tension for character after they either SURVIVE a universe wide genocide or RETURN FROM a universe wide genocide? What can you do to a character or characters that will genuinely illicit emotion from an audience when they’ve basically been proven to be death-proof?

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King Crozma
King Crozma

People hated this video so bad they ended the series

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NickelodeonFan2007 AUTTP AVGCP EDCP NDCP ATHTDC
NickelodeonFan2007 AUTTP AVGCP EDCP NDCP ATHTDC

This is Empty

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Matt Hacker
Matt Hacker

The MCU doesn’t feel empty... it’s just even though they wanted to develop each character many of the situations could’ve- and should’ve- involved all of the Avengers. Like in Thor 2 the elf dude trying to destroy the universe definitely would’ve made more sense as an Avengers movie than only a Thor one. I feel like Disney could’ve still made a lot money if they treated almost every MCU movie as Avengers movies. That’s just my opinion, though.

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Rohit Shinde
Rohit Shinde

I'd be pissed if they make marvel starwars crossover

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Lucas Santoro
Lucas Santoro

Can anybody explain this to me in a not hateful way? 2:27 I must have missed something.

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John Watson
John Watson

Anyone who thinks the X-Men franchise is good has bigger issues to worry about than criticizing movies. Those films are trash. Zero character development. Those characters who aren't Wolverine, Charles, Magneto or the Hunger Games chick are literally LEAD characters in the comics. An X-Men film with zero storm development and zero cyclops development is unforgivable. You guys are tripping.

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Ida Preston
Ida Preston

+John WatsonOK but still sometimes is the network not the director

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John Watson
John Watson

+Ida Preston well let's consider the fact that she has worked directly with Stan Lee, she's interviewed producers, actors and writers on major Marvel projects and she's been in the comic book media business for over a decade... yeah. She's qualified and she has the connections. Plus its 100% obvious that the director wanted to distance his vision from the source material. Absolutely zero characters in the X-men films are depicted like their comic book counterparts. They are all original characters in personality. That seems like something someone with contemptment would do.

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Ida Preston
Ida Preston

+John Watson and you believe the youtuber 🤦‍♂️

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John Watson
John Watson

+Ida Preston I dont know about that lol. I read an article saying that the director refused to let the actors read comics to research their characters. Comic Book Girl 19 covers it on her channel. Fox was trying to distance itself as far as possible from the source material for some odd reason.

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Fonzo FC
Fonzo FC

its a wonder this bad video still exists

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Santiago Sanahuja
Santiago Sanahuja

que manera de mandar fruta

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Mino Shalla
Mino Shalla

😬😬🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ help me look for sense cuz i cant find it anywhere in this video

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prashams reddy
prashams reddy

Phil, No.

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Hana Noor Azam
Hana Noor Azam

What is this

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A K
A K

It’s gonna be a real problem if anyone comes back to life in endgame that’s what I think will make the entire universe empty.

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Scooter Ball
Scooter Ball

A K of course the are coming back to life, but they will probably kill off Iron Man and or Captain America

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Ángel Harris
Ángel Harris

Whut, like man..... Are you serious. Like no.... Not at all.... Have you ever watched anything from the MCU? Like for real?

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rachel wilper
rachel wilper

vox what the heck

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Masha Mitchell
Masha Mitchell

Empty? Where? I always thought is was a tad crowded.

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karuv wynllb
karuv wynllb

hahahahahahahah😆👍 fu※king marvel is made from boring fights and cheap stories. i don't understand why this trash is highly regarded...

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Violet Hall
Violet Hall

That ratio tho

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Pradosh Gaonkar
Pradosh Gaonkar

9:38 minutes of pure emptiness. Good job Vox👍

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Hannah Cox
Hannah Cox

TRASHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Dalen Wang
Dalen Wang

Crossovers? They suck, and they're extremely awkward.

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Jack Boscoe
Jack Boscoe

What a moron

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Vidster Games
Vidster Games

DC 4 LIFE

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Makaimura
Makaimura

Agree 100% - great video Vox! Lost interest in MCU after 1st Avengers. Still watch them all but rather chew metal than repeat viewings. Painful cinema.

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Aswin Shobhan
Aswin Shobhan

Someone actually thought "this is a good idea. lets make a video about it, without doing any actual research or bringing up any valid points? that would look cool if we edit it like one of those video essays"

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Erik Clarke
Erik Clarke

The MCU "problem" is not of the same origin as these "other" universes. The MCU cinematic problem is that there are far too many issues of Marvel comics, going back decades to cover in only 40 movies. Additionally, there are very many (most) characters that have never been mentioned in any Marvel film that play significant roles, spanning decades (Galactus, Franklin Richards, the Living Tribunal, the Beyonder, the One Above All, etc.) that have not ever been filmed or mentioned at all.

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T A
T A

Say what you will the Marvel Cinematic Universe doesn't make me feel empty and that's pretty damn amazing

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MKpwn
MKpwn

Says Spidermans integration goes as deep as selling merch.....doesnt bring up the whole reason for the plot ,the fact that Iron man is literally Peter's surrogate daddy figure in the movie and then concludes the video with homecoming 's vulture and his motivation being a great example of how to intertwine the events......hol up. What drugs are you on boi? Please pass me your dealers number because i also want to be delirious from time to time.

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MKpwn
MKpwn

This video is a great example of why this video felt so empty.

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Sniper 2000
Sniper 2000

102K dislike and 33k like you are on right track dude.

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Barney Stinson
Barney Stinson

I really don't care about you're opinion my dude.

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musicforears
musicforears

This video is just over 9 minutes of rambling and never actually talks about the topic it presents.

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abhijeet adhikary
abhijeet adhikary

u just spoke the truth so everyone else got butthurt XD

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Andrew Reyes
Andrew Reyes

hachoooclickbait!

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A random person
A random person

All the hate is just the marvel fans not trying to hate

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Ida Preston
Ida Preston

True

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Ri Ki
Ri Ki

Them’s fighting words

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-Animated- Fast Guy -Dudash- The porcupine

https://youtu.be/niT5wCh5v7U

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I'M JUST HERE TO DISLIKE
I'M JUST HERE TO DISLIKE

BRUH......

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JasmineSkyy
JasmineSkyy

You can’t just study the MCU in one day and make a video about it. I’ll accept that when it comes to politics and ninjas but not the MCU.

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niceguyvillain
niceguyvillain

Phil thinks decisions that prioritise profit will always sacrifice good stories but their is grace in the MCU's failings, I think he missed that.

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No One Of Consequence
No One Of Consequence

Okay, take it easy on Hawkeye.

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Samen Hossain
Samen Hossain

woah 102,000 dislikes

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TheRedArrowExpress
TheRedArrowExpress

I was actually interested what you guys had to say because while entertaining they do have problems. Things like some underwhelming villains, franchise fatigue, all of them kind of feeling the same, some beginner filmmaking choices , and a little predictability like how we know everyone will live and the villain will lose. None of these are that strong of problems but can add up or be discussed in depth. What you latched onto was the Marvel Universe's greatest strength and why people love it so much. It's rich universe and the movies that came before it to build the newer movies like serials from the 1930's. I ultimately have no odea what ypu guys were trying to say you had points that went from the problems with Marvel's large cinematic universe to crossovers to merch.

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Chung-Pin Hsieh
Chung-Pin Hsieh

Just embrace the pathetic public taste.

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Ajst1987
Ajst1987

X-Men’s timeline says different. Look at all the continuity issues there.

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Russian Capitalist
Russian Capitalist

*5.5 minutes into the video* oh now they're talking about the MCU finally

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Russian Capitalist
Russian Capitalist

this is actually retarded

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Musixmash
Musixmash

So many dislikes. Ouch. *dislikes video

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Musixmash
Musixmash

Why fix something if it ain't broke? It really depends on perspective and interests. Others don't like it so they bash it. They find reasons why it sucks. I like so I keep watching it. Simple as that. Other companies are just jealous that Marvel is successful building a Cinematic Universe in a span of multiple franchises. It's brave.

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sub to Will need and unsubscribe from Morgz mum

Look at the like to dislike ratio

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Deadly Fun
Deadly Fun

Anyone in 2019 come back here to check on this shitstorm?

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Mark N.
Mark N.

I’ll tell you why, NO X-MEN OR FANTASTIC FOUR.

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Javier Escuella
Javier Escuella

Wtf shut tf up you probs just think they’re too childish or somin

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jahovia82 disdik
jahovia82 disdik

This has got to be THEE DUMBEST FCKING VIDEO I HAVE SEEN TO DATE. Wht the fck, id get more enjoyment out of watching TODD AT THE FCKING ZOO video. Foh

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Titan Killer
Titan Killer

Your point?

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Mysterio1264
Mysterio1264

Yes because Disney would definitely make a Star Wars Marvel crossover. This video sucks and makes no sense.

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Robert Consola
Robert Consola

I think I lost about 15 brain cells watching this

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Dr. Smart
Dr. Smart

Why this video feels empty

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Deebo
Deebo

Warning! "Professional" critics in the comment field.

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The Patriot
The Patriot

boooooo

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Ruojie Jia
Ruojie Jia

This video is suck!!!!!!

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The 80's Wolf
The 80's Wolf

The Disney bots have been busy 😂😂😂

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Vitor Nunes
Vitor Nunes

This video was like a big budget movie with a story that goes nowhere.

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Siddharth Pareek
Siddharth Pareek

Why this video feels too empty?

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Eddie Nolan
Eddie Nolan

I hate marvel movies and this still isn’t satisfying me

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Adam Haas
Adam Haas

So... the complaint is that the characters are in movies that are not about them directly? With the fix being to have no origin story and instead jump in the middle of a story at the beginning of the movie? And instead of making fantastical challenges the characters have to overcome, make them rooted in reality? Marvel has done decade jumping. Seen Guardians of the Galaxy? The beginning of Ant-Man, the beginning of Civil War. You think the tone of all the movies are the same? Haven you seen Thor: Ragnarok? Have you seen Infinity War? What mythology exists in X-Men but not everything else? The same issue you have with Jessica Jones is what you praise about Spider-Man. Or is your real complaint ensemble films?

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Cody Englander
Cody Englander

I kept waiting expecting a video essay but it was some steaming pile of clickbait

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Dragonbreak
Dragonbreak

Ok... So now let's explore the VOX universe to find out if IT is empty... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niT5wCh5v7U - is it? Yes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niT5wCh5v7U&t=352s - is it REALLY? Yes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAI8BnVikms Now we know everything about VOX... They're empty... I'm not a MARVEL fanboy but I must say this video gets reported for misleading and spreading false information. Have a good day!

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Dbrnx21
Dbrnx21

This video feels more empty than the MCU

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Akshay Bhardwaj
Akshay Bhardwaj

Seriously Xmen > Marvel.. What bullshit video is this..

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joseph liao
joseph liao

?? Wtf is wrong with you

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